{"id":2129,"date":"2020-04-29T19:43:24","date_gmt":"2020-04-29T18:43:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/57hattersyears.co.uk\/?p=2129"},"modified":"2025-06-10T18:12:33","modified_gmt":"2025-06-10T17:12:33","slug":"moss-rose-chester-city-macclesfield-town-torquay-united","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/57hattersyears.co.uk\/index.php\/1990s\/moss-rose-chester-city-macclesfield-town-torquay-united\/","title":{"rendered":"MOSS ROSE – CHESTER CITY \/ MACCLESFIELD TOWN \/ TORQUAY UNITED"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

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First County Visit:<\/td>Tuesday 24th March 1992<\/td><\/tr>
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Competition:<\/td>Barclays League Division 3 – (Tier 3)<\/td><\/tr>
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Result:<\/td>Chester City 3 – 2 Stockport County<\/td><\/tr>
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Attendance:<\/td>3,747<\/td><\/tr>
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Away Trip:<\/td>58<\/td><\/tr>
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Away Day:<\/td>230<\/td><\/tr>
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County Line-up<\/td>1 Neil Edwards; 2 Andy Thorpe; 3 Jim Carstairs; 4 David Frain; 5 Tony Barras; 6 Alan Finley; 7 Jim Gannon; 8 Peter Ward; 9 Paul Wheeler (12 Chris Beaumont); 10 Lee Todd (14 Bill Williams); 11 Andy Preece<\/td><\/tr>
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Scorers:<\/td>Jim Gannon; Andy Preece<\/td><\/tr>
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Manager:<\/td>Danny Bergara<\/td><\/tr>
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County Visits:<\/td>10<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

..<\/p>\n\n\nA BOXING DAY NIGHTMARE<\/span><\/a>\n\n\n

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Over the years there\u2019s been a handful of grounds where I have seen County face more than one team.  The Victoria Ground, (Hartlepool and Gateshead); Aggborough, (Kidderminster and Worcester); the Kingfield Stadium, (Woking and Hayes); Nene Park, (Rushden and Kettering); Twerton Park, (Bristol Rovers and Bath) and Whaddon Road, (Cheltenham and Gloucester).  There\u2019s also been a few where I have seen us play a team which has fallen on hard times and come back as a phoenix club, (Bucks Head; The Shay; Deva Stadium).  I\u2019ve seen us play 4 teams at the \u2018old\u2019 Wembley, but the Moss Rose is unique.  Three different clubs have provided the opposition.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Macclesfield naturally; but before that there was Chester City when they were in that limbo state between leaving Sealand Road and opening the Deva.  But the third opposition saw us play there, ostensibly as a home game.  The ravages of Sale Sharks on the EP playing surface had rendered it completely unfit for football, albeit that may games did go ahead on what was clearly a disgrace of a surface,  But the FA Cup 2nd<\/sup> round tie against Torquay in late 1979 simply could not go ahead, despite a couple of attempts.  And there\u2019s a bit of background to this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The tie was originally scheduled for Saturday 28th<\/sup> November.  The pitch had been in a right old state for weeks.  With ground maintenance duties falling to our landlords, Sale Sharks, after the sell out by Brendan Elwood the answer to the churning up by the egg chasers was to apply a bit of rolling and then chuck on copious amounts of sand.  That was the extent of it.  It had left the surface bereft of any meaningful grass.  When arriving for games it looked like a nicely rolled beach.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

After 90 minutes of football it was more akin to the Grimpen Mire, beloved of Sherlock Holmes.  And that was just football.  Rugby rendered it a complete morass.  And the condition was so bad that the night before the scheduled Torquay game there was a Guinness Premiership match between Sale and Wasps.  Only there wasn\u2019t!!  Wasps refused to play. (The photo below shows the state of the pitch just prior to Wasps unilateral decision. Sale obviously thought otherwise as the crowded Main Stand testifies!!). It was reported in the Guardian the following day that Wasps rugby director Tony Hanks had said, “We just don’t believe that this surface is fit to play a professional game of rugby”, <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ah the joys of rugby ruining your pitch. That area in front of the Main Stand had been churned up by the use of a cherry-picker.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

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The whole use of EP for rugby, from the take-over by Cheshire Sports onwards, was a complete and utter fiasco and will be looked back on as the catalyst for the fall into non-league<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, it\u2019s a fair bet that if you can\u2019t play rugby then there\u2019s no chance for football.  The decision was made to play the home game at the Moss Rose some 11 days later.  And a true debacle unfolded.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It ended up in a 4-0 defeat, with\nthe handful of Torquay fans who had made the hike up from the south-west not\nbelieving their luck.  We were appalling\nthat season, but still a division higher than the Gulls.  We might have been bottom, but Torquay stood\n21st<\/sup> in League 2, having won only 4 league games all season. Keeper\nOwain fon Williams had a \u2018mare.  We were\n3 down inside the half hour. \nShameful.  Mark reached a state of\napoplexy as the 4th<\/sup> went in and chasing up and down in front of the\nstand he gave full back Adam Griffin a right mouthful.  The response was the time honoured \u201cV\u201d\nsign.  What a truly dreadful night.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But it was far from the worst\nexperience at the Moss Rose.  That came\non Boxing Day 2005.  Chris Turner was the\nmanager then and it had been a desperate start to the season.  We came into the game with but two wins,\n(over Grimsby and Northampton), in 22 league games.  We were rock bottom of League 2, (Tier 4),\nand had scored but a single goal in the previous 4 games.  Macclesfield weren\u2019t doing much better.  They were 5 points better off, true, but\nsurely there was the chance of getting something out of the game.  Things got off to a bad start as Tes Bramble\ngot his marching orders for a foul on Danny Swailes, (who later featured for\nthe Hatters in 2010).  We kept Macc out until\njust before half-time, when two goals in a couple of minutes, (one from \u2018The\nBeast\u2019, Jon Parkin, who was to prove a thorn in our sides many times in later\nyears).  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jeff, Mark and I had stationed\nourselves in the McAlpine Stand, under which is a tea bar.  Retreating there for some refreshment, and if\ntruth\u2019s know some warmth as well, we found County legend Jim Gannon holding\ncourt.  He had last appeared in a County\nshirt in a 2-2 draw with City at EP in March 2000.  He had left the action after being\ninjured.  After nearly 480 appearances in\na County shirt his Hatters career was over. \n(Bizarrely that game also saw the last County appearance of Kevin\nFrancis \u2013 two players who had been fundamental to the success in the 1990\u2019s bowing\nout on the same night).  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gannon, (who had just finished\nhis first spell in management at Dundalk), was deep in conversation with a\ngroup of County fans, and given what was happening on the field, the chat turned\nto him.  Turner\u2019s time in the job was\nevidently coming to an end, and he was asked whether he would be taking\nover.  He smiled, making some non-committal\nstatement that whatever happened then something had to be done.  We went back out for the second half.  It was beyond parody, as Macc ran in another\n4.  John \nMiles scored one of those.  He pitched\nup at EP in Hamman\u2019s brief spell and was undoubtedly one of the most bone idle;\nindolent players who it has been my misfortune to see turn out for County.  I have little doubt that when I get round to\nwriting about Blundell Park, Grimsby that he could feature in the comments\nrelating to Gannon\u2019s \u201csocial loafers\u201d observation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The sorry affair can be seen by\nclinking on the link in the table at the bottom of this post.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Within 72 hours Turner had gone, and Gannon was installed as manager, but on a caretaker basis.  Some would argue that the afternoon at the Moss Rose was yet another pivotal moment, and for what it\u2019s worth I\u2019m one of them.  It was a truly dispiriting moment.  A team that we used to face in reserve competition and who were as poor as us in terms of league form had delivered a humiliating lesson in the scale of our descent.  Six years previously at this point in the year we had been 6th<\/sup> in the Championship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The Main Stand at the Moss Rose. <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

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My first County visit to the Moss Rose wasn\u2019t to watch the Silkmen, but rather Chester City.  They spent a season there between leaving Sealand Road and moving to the Deva Stadium.  The ground, (or at least two sides of it) was different then than now.  I\u2019d been a regular visitor to the Moss Rose over the years prior to that when in search of a game.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019d seen many of the Tameside non-league clubs play there, and remember vividly going there on New Years Eve 1988.  Boston beat them 1-0, but my memory comes not from the game but the news on my arrival back at home that my Grandma had passed away. With no mobile phones in those days I couldn\u2019t be contacted during the afternoon so I was confronted with the sad news when I came back through the front door.  She had been in hospital for a number of weeks, and the outlook had never been good, but it was still a shock.  1988 wasn\u2019t a good year \u2013 my Dad had died a few months earlier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Back in March 1992, (a game which\nhad been postponed in February), when we played Chester, the Main Stand, on\nLondon Road, was as it is today.  I stood\non the terracing in front of it.  To the\nleft, the Star Lane End, was an open terrace with similar arrangements at the\nfar end of the pitch, (Moss Lane).  On\nthe far side was a covered terrace.  On\nmy frequent previous visits I had always found it pretty unsatisfactory.  There was precious little slope and standing\nanywhere near the rear provided a poor view, having to stand on tip toe to see\nover those in front, which wasn\u2019t helped by a series of stanchions which broke\nup the view.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

The game itself was a disappointment.  We stood 2nd<\/sup> going into the game, 6 points behind Stoke with a game in hand.  A win would have closed the gap and also put daylight between us and West Brom and Brentford, who stood 3rd<\/sup> and 4th<\/sup> respectively.  Chester were struggling to keep their heads above water down near the relegation zone. We went down 3-2, but eventually comfort could be taken that it was only 1 of 2 losses in a sequence of 10 games, the other 8 of which were all won.  We did of course reach the play-off final, which ended in tears at the hands of Peterborough.  Our next meeting with Chester would be the first game at their new home the Deva Stadium, some 5 months later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The Moss Lane open terrace to the left, with the Main Stand on the right<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

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Moss Rose was of course then a non-league\nground, with Macc not joining the league ranks until 1997.  It was all a bit bizarre, We had played\nChester there in a league game sanctioned by the football authorities.  Three years later Macc won the Conference,\nbut were stopped from taking their rightful place in the League because the\nground \u201cdid not meet requirements\u201d. \nExeter, the bottom club in the league, were the beneficiaries, retaining\ntheir place at the Silkmen\u2019s expense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

As I write, (on April 29th<\/sup>\n2020), the Conference season has finished early due to the Coronavirus epidemic.  Whether there will be promotion or\nrelegation, based on the records of teams at the point of the closedown, is\nstill very much up in the air.  Barrow\nstand top of the table, and most observers indicate that they should be\npromoted.  I agree, from a playing\nperspective.  But I wonder about Holker\nStreet \u2013 whether that will pass the suitability test.  There\u2019ll be plenty more on that ground, (Away\nTrip 134), but compared to the non-league teams, (excluding previous league\nclubs), that have been promoted in recent years I do wonder.  Facilities at both Salford and Forest Green,\n(despite my own negative feelings about both of those clubs, more of which when\nwe address Moor Lane and the New Lawn), are infinitely superior.  It\u2019ll be interesting to see how it plays out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Star Lane End after the conversion from an open terrace.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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An unusual lay-out, with seating in front and a small area of terracing at the rear. I’d seen in previously at Ninian Park in the Grangethorpe End<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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So a trip to the Moss Rose to play the landlords looked unlikely.  But it wasn\u2019t the case.  We were drawn there in an FA Cup game only 8 or so months after the Chester fixture.  There were 5.700 on that day, which tested the capacity.  I stood in the same place as I had when we played Chester, (in front of the Main Stand).  It was a singularly better outcome.  A 2-0 win, with goals from Andy Preece and Bill Williams saw us through to a 3rd<\/sup> round tie at the Baseball Ground. In the table below there\u2019s a link to highlights from the game at the Moss Rose.  The video gives a clear idea of how the ground looked before the improvements were undertaken.  The massed ranks of County fans on the Star Lane End, show what a traditional football terrace was like before the sanitisation of football stadia.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I liked Moss Rose, and even after the new stand was built, (see the comparison below), and that strange covering at the Star Lane End, (seating at the front, standing at the back, all in the space of a dozen steps), was put in place I enjoyed going.  After the Cup game I had to wait another 13 years for a County visit.  That turned out to be the season changing 6-0 loss described above.  Our last game there was at the dog-end of the 2012\/13 season as we fought what was a losing battle to avoid the drop into regional football.  It drew a decent crowd of just over 4,000.  Jon Macken, who had purveyed his skills on a far higher stage, scored the only goal of his brief County career.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The accommodation on the Moss Lane side of the ground<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Before ….. and after<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Since then, despite being promoted back to the League, Macclesfield seems to have been mired in all sorts of financial problems.  There have been regular stories of players not being paid, and on occasion refusing to play.  Only a matter of months ago they turned out in an FA Cup game, (against Kingstonian), with six youth team players and five loanees after the first team went on strike.  It\u2019s a dreadful reflection on how things have been run.  But Macc are far from the only sinners in this context.  In my account of trips to Brisbane Road, (Away Trip 38),<\/a> <\/a><\/strong>I fulminated about \u201cfit and proper persons\u201d.  The same text could have been inserted in this piece, as indeed in many others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

April 2020<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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VISITS<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Day<\/strong><\/td>Date<\/strong><\/td>Competition<\/strong><\/td>Tier \/ Round<\/strong><\/td>Opponents<\/strong><\/td>Res<\/strong><\/td>F<\/strong><\/td>A<\/strong><\/td>Crowd<\/strong><\/td>Away Day<\/strong><\/td><\/tr>
Tues<\/td>24\/03\/92<\/td>Barclays League Division 3<\/td>Tier 3<\/td>Chester City<\/td>L<\/td>2<\/td>3<\/td>3,747<\/td>230<\/td><\/tr>
Sat<\/td>05\/12\/92
(Highlights)<\/a><\/strong><\/td>		FA Cup<\/td>Round 2<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>W<\/td>2<\/td>0<\/td>5,700<\/td>248<\/td><\/tr>
Mon<\/td>26\/12\/05
(Highlights)<\/a><\/strong><\/td>		Coca-Cola Football League – League 2<\/td>Tier 4<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>L<\/td>0<\/td>6<\/td>4,553<\/td>545<\/td><\/tr>
Tues<\/td>17\/10\/06<\/td>LDV Vans Trophy<\/td>Northern Round 1<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>W<\/td>1<\/td>0<\/td>1,792<\/td>562<\/td><\/tr>
Sat<\/td>14\/04\/07
(Highlights)<\/a><\/strong><\/td>		Coca-Cola Football League – League 2<\/td>Tier 4<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>L<\/td>0<\/td>2<\/td>4,451<\/td>579<\/td><\/tr>
Tues<\/td>09\/10\/07<\/td>Johnstones Paints Trophy<\/td>Northern Round 2<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>W<\/td>1<\/td>0<\/td>2,248<\/td>586<\/td><\/tr>
Sat<\/td>15\/12\/07
(Highlights)<\/a><\/strong><\/td>		Coca-Cola Football League – League 2<\/td>Tier 4<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>W<\/td>2<\/td>0<\/td>3,585<\/td>592<\/td><\/tr>
Tues<\/td>15\/12\/09<\/td>FA Cup<\/td>Round 2<\/td>Torquay United<\/td>L<\/td>0<\/td>4<\/td>1,690<\/td>645<\/td><\/tr>
Sat<\/td>04\/09\/10<\/td>npower Football League – League 2<\/td>Tier 4<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>W<\/td>2<\/td>0<\/td>3,683<\/td>657<\/td><\/tr>
Sat<\/td>30\/03\/13
(Highlights)<\/a><\/strong><\/td>		Blue Square Bet Premier<\/td>Tier 5<\/td>Macclesfield Town<\/td>D<\/td>1<\/td>1<\/td>4,027<\/td>723<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

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ON MY JOURNEY WITH COUNTY AROUND 180 GROUNDS<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

..<\/p>\n\n\nPreviously – GAY MEADOW<\/span><\/a>\n\nNext stop – THE OLD WEMBLEY STADIUM<\/span><\/a>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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